April 30 2008 Conference Call - Revision history

Joe.andrieu: /* KCRW & Relbutton */

2008-04-30T17:54:33Z

KCRW & Relbutton

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	http://vocolo.org is a station, but is mostly online. Very user driven. Where the listeners and producers are often the same people. They have an audience and are growing and they are open to experiments.		http://vocolo.org is a station, but is mostly online. Very user driven. Where the listeners and producers are often the same people. They have an audience and are growing and they are open to experiments.

	Doc shares that Keith is concerned about centralized systems in general. His own preference is to create fully decentralized systems~~. Where their~~ '''can''' be a centralized service, such as ~~the~~ RSS ping servers, but which aren't defined by their centralized nature. Keith sees this as a big win for the rel-button.		Doc shares that Keith is concerned about centralized systems in general. His own preference is to create fully decentralized systems, or essentially decentralized systems, where there '''can''' be a centralized service--such as RSS ping servers--but which aren't defined by their centralized nature. Keith sees this as a big win for the rel-button.

	Dean: for commercial radio, we might be able to help them meet certain social obligations by using the rel-button to fund raise for non-profits.		Dean: for commercial radio, we might be able to help them meet certain social obligations by using the rel-button to fund raise for non-profits.

Joe.andrieu: /* Standards Committee (Joe) */

2008-04-30T17:52:24Z

Standards Committee (Joe)

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	(mostly reported after the call as the committee reports were excised from the agenda during the call)		(mostly reported after the call as the committee reports were excised from the agenda during the call)

	Asa Hardcastle has requested and been invited to join the committee. ~~oe thinks~~ we can also get Paul Downey to join. He was very interested in supporting the development of the Personal Address Manager.		Asa Hardcastle has requested and been invited to join the committee. I think we can also get Paul Downey to join. He was very interested in supporting the development of the Personal Address Manager.

	Iain Henderson is working on a rev of a Customer Journey through the PAM, which will be integrated into the spec.		Iain Henderson is working on a rev of a Customer Journey through the PAM, which will be integrated into the spec.

Joe.andrieu: /* Standards Committee (Joe) */

2008-04-30T17:50:46Z

Standards Committee (Joe)

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	===Standards Committee (Joe)===		===Standards Committee (Joe)===
			(mostly reported after the call as the committee reports were excised from the agenda during the call)

			Asa Hardcastle has requested and been invited to join the committee. oe thinks we can also get Paul Downey to join. He was very interested in supporting the development of the Personal Address Manager.

			Iain Henderson is working on a rev of a Customer Journey through the PAM, which will be integrated into the spec.

			We anticipate both an introductory session and a working session at IIW later this month.

	===Organization Committee (Doc)===		===Organization Committee (Doc)===

Joe.andrieu: /* Wiki Tech Report */

2008-04-30T17:46:49Z

Wiki Tech Report

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	===Wiki Tech Report===		===Wiki Tech Report===
			Technical problems during the unconference have apparently gone away. But there are still some bugs. Doc will try to work through Dean's current issues.

	===Events===		===Events===
	====IIW2008a====		====IIW2008a====

Joe.andrieu: /* KCRW & Relbutton */

2008-04-30T17:42:04Z

KCRW & Relbutton

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	Doc shares that Keith is concerned about centralized systems in general. His own preference is to create fully decentralized systems. Where their '''can''' be a centralized service, such as the RSS ping servers, but which aren't defined by their centralized nature. Keith sees this as a big win for the rel-button.		Doc shares that Keith is concerned about centralized systems in general. His own preference is to create fully decentralized systems. Where their '''can''' be a centralized service, such as the RSS ping servers, but which aren't defined by their centralized nature. Keith sees this as a big win for the rel-button.

			Dean: for commercial radio, we might be able to help them meet certain social obligations by using the rel-button to fund raise for non-profits.

			Doc: we need to set up a number of meetings to work this out. We have a bit of an assignment.

	===Action Items===		===Action Items===

Joe.andrieu: /* Notes */

2008-04-30T17:38:58Z

Notes

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	===Open Discussion===		===Open Discussion===
			====KCRW & Relbutton====
			Sees themselves as followers, as in following what the rest of the world is doing and adopting it into their grab bag. Very interested in getting something up and working in the intermediate with Apple and iTunes. Doc would like to see that packaged and ready for implementation before presenting to Apple.

			http://vocolo.org is a station, but is mostly online. Very user driven. Where the listeners and producers are often the same people. They have an audience and are growing and they are open to experiments.

			Doc shares that Keith is concerned about centralized systems in general. His own preference is to create fully decentralized systems. Where their '''can''' be a centralized service, such as the RSS ping servers, but which aren't defined by their centralized nature. Keith sees this as a big win for the rel-button.

	===Action Items===		===Action Items===

Joe.andrieu: /* Munich */

2008-04-30T17:33:45Z

Munich

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	===Munich===		===Munich===
			Good unconference. About 12 participants, so a bit small, but good participation. Doc's virtual attendance worked pretty well.

			There was some interesting feedback from Paul Whitehouse, pro VRM, but down on the Identity conference, mostly from a cultural perspective, i.e., corporate bias and thinking.

			There was an interesting dance of language co-opting by large companies (using VRM memes to present their vision), and the need for us to discover how we fit into large companies' view and language around VRM.

			Also, excellent support from Kuppinger Cole. They see VRM as the killer app for identity, as a way to explain to companies how to leverage identity management for a paradigm shift.

	===Vision Committee (Dean)===		===Vision Committee (Dean)===

Joe.andrieu: /* Organization Committee (Doc) */

2008-04-30T17:14:27Z

Organization Committee (Doc)

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	===Organization Committee (Doc)===		===Organization Committee (Doc)===
			Brett: Stewardship requires representational governance and we need to figure out how that works with Berkman.
			Doc: What does that mean?
			Brett: If there are ten of us on this call, and ten of us care, then each of us votes. That's representational, as opposed to one party on the call that listens to folks and then decides.

	===Usage Committee (Adriana)===		===Usage Committee (Adriana)===

Joe.andrieu: /* Compliance Committee (Iain) */

2008-04-30T17:09:26Z

Compliance Committee (Iain)

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	===Compliance Committee (Iain) ===		===Compliance Committee (Iain) ===

			Brett & Iain will take the VRM Maturity Model and the benchmarking work Iain has done to date to come up with a draft statement of what it means to be VRM compliant.

			Joe: Somewhere we need to clarify how technical compliance with proposed future standards (relbutton and PAM, for example) fits into principles compliance.

	===Wiki Tech Report===		===Wiki Tech Report===

Joe.andrieu: /* Enterprise Sales */

2008-04-30T17:01:23Z

Enterprise Sales

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	Deb: I'm seeing a lot of realignment around Web Services.		Deb: I'm seeing a lot of realignment around Web Services.

			Brett: I think we should figure out what it means to be compliant. Once we figure that out, we can talk with folks about it.

	===Munich===		===Munich===